It Is Over .....

As I read through the diaries today and through the media reactions to last night's debate, I cannot help thinking that none of this matters.

It's over.  Barrack Obama is the next President of the United States.  Amazing.  There will no doubt be another ten months of battles and skirmishes, but the war is won. Just like World War II was over in the Pacific after the battle of Midway and over in Europe after the landing at Normandy.  There will be more battles to fight, but there is no one with the resources to stop Obama.

He is the right man, in the right place, with the right message.  No doubt, Team Hillary will continue to go through its death spasms with attempts to retool her message and dump truck loads of mud, but it won't work.  This election is about change.  A candidate whose primary claim to fame is that she stood side by side with a President who was sworn in 15 years ago is structurally disqualified.  Her message is garbled; her image is troubling; she is weighted down be far too much baggage.

Many here do not seem to understand the basic underlying dynamics at work behind Obama's success:  message congruence and message resonance.  

1) Message congruence:  People are responding to Obama because he comes across as authentic and they feel they can trust him at a basic level.  Why?  Because his life choices, voting record, and campaign rhetoric are largely consistent and congruent.  Obama chose to become a community organizer. He chose to become a civil rights lawyer.  In office, he has chosen to fight for ethics reform and campaign finace reform. He says he is for change, and people believe him, because he has worked for change.  

He says he can bring people together, and his record shows that he has been able to do that as President of the Harvard Law Review.  He brought minority advocates and civil liberties advocates and law enforcement types together to reform Illinois' death penalty.  He worked with Lugar on loose nukes legislation, and with a bipartisan group to pass ethics reform in Congress. There is congruence between the man and the message that helps make both belieavable.  

2) Message resonance:  Voters often react to what they don't like about the current occupant of the White House.  George Bush has been the personification of stand-alone, stubborn, partisanship.  Many voters are tired of gridlock and tired of leadership that does not listen.  Obama's combination of progressive values and an inclusive, less confrontational style seems to resonate with a large number of Dems and an even larger number of independents.

Yes, there are many Dems that want to follow the path taken by Rove and the Repubs:  take a narrow majority and try to impose your will on the country.  However, many have found the partisan bickering unproductive, or have come to realize that Dems need to grow their majorities in Congress if they want to get anything of substance done.  These voters take Obama at his word when he says he is trying to build a broad, progressive majority.

Who can stop Obama?  

Edwards?  Highly unlikely, Obama has clearly become the "alternative to HRC" candidate.  AS long as the media spins the story as Obama vs. HRC, Edwards will not get enough oxygen.  He does not have the media buzz, the poll standing, the money, or the organization to compete.

HRC?  She probably has a better chance than JE, but she faces long odds.  I would argue that the window for recovery is almost impossibly small.  Hillary is primarily a restoration candidate in a change election.  She is boxed in by her tough, many would say mean, image.  Every time she tries to attack Obama she only reinforces her image problem.  Her alternating efforts to appear warm and likable and her efforts to knock Obama down only cement her lack of authenticity.  The bottom line is simple, many Dems and most independents do not feel that they can trust Hillary.  

Can the Repubs stop Obama?  Not likely.  This almost certainly sets up as a Democratic year. Bush fatigue, Iraq, economic uncertainty all portend a strong opportunity for Dems. Occasionally, these general trends can be overcome by a particularly strong candidate from the other party.  However, the Repub field looks very weak.  McCain is old and bears the heavy burden of the war.  Romney is a flip-flopping, phoney with zero foriegn policy experience.  Huckabee is charming and well spoken, but he is far out of the mainsteam and his tax proposals alone are a huge albatros, it is hard to see him winning the nomination let alone a general election.  Rudy is in serious trouble and burdened by so many scandals it is hard to see him rallying his party to victory.

I am not trying to be a naive cheerleader, but the more that you think it through, it looks like it is all over.  Barrack Obama is clearly on the march to the White House with no insurmountable obstacles in sight.

We will no doubt keep arguing in the months ahead, but I think the outcome is clear.  Barrack Obama, President of the United States of America.



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Re: It Is Over ..... (none / 0)

They didn't see it coming. A lot people dare to believe and now we are seeing the truth. I warned them in my post about Iowa? now, it's free fall Obama can't be stop easily.


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by Jr1886 on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 07:59:48 PM EST

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Come on! It is not over! At least wait to see what happens in NH! Polls are just polls...


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by crackityjones on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:00:26 PM EST

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Four polls showing Obama with a double digit lead.  It is over in NH.  

There is still a little doubt in California and Florida, but that is about it.


by upper left on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:09:58 PM EST
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Key word "easily" I think you would agree too. She can't win NH. Ima bet on this


"Apparently they have an 11-month calendar over there that's missing the month of February," Obama strategist David Axelrod
by Jr1886 on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:02:10 PM EST

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The only GOP candidate that worried me was Thompson, but he apparently doesn't want to be president.

If 2008 is about "change", I wouldn't mind putting Obama against a guy who is old enough to have fought in Korea.


by highgrade on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:03:57 PM EST

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We don't even have a nominee yet. Just relax. I remember when Kerry was suppose to be President.


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by RJEvans on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:04:32 PM EST

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Kerry was a very limited and vulnerable candidate from the beginning.

Obama's only real weakness is experience, and vaalues and judgment almost always top experience.


by upper left on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:11:37 PM EST
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Obama has huge glaring weaknesses. Just because you don't see them doesn't mean they aren't there.


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by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:32:11 PM EST
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239000 people in Iowa have decided the Presidency?

Obama probably will win, but I wouldn't be so cocky if I was an Obama supporter.  You saw how being the inevitable candidate worked for Clinton, right?


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by Sean Fitzpatrick on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:09:11 PM EST

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Obama genarally talks about "we."  

Clinton always talks about "I" and "me."

I realize the danger of hubris, I am just rying to think logically about the road ahead.


by upper left on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:13:43 PM EST
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Sorry but if Barak is the nominee he won't be the next President according to the polls. He starts with a huge deficit to begin with that I don't see him being able to overcome. And after the GOP is done with him he'll be mincemeat.


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by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:30:45 PM EST

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Yes, I am sure Hillary "I spent tens of millions in Iowa and came in third" Clinton will be a sure fire winner in the general. Inevitable even.


by animated on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:37:27 PM EST
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Since when does IA relate to being to win a national election? I'm talking about all the problems Obama's going to have in the general.


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by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:47:43 PM EST
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Yes, I am sure Hillary "I spent tens of millions in Iowa and came in third" Clinton will be a sure fire winner in the general. Inevitable even.


by animated on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:37:49 PM EST
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What polls are you talking about?

Here are the Real Clear Politics averages of head to head matchups: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/national.html

As you can clearly see, Obama is leading all the Repubs, except McCain, by 10% points.  The current RCP average has him tied with McCain but the most recent poll is nearly a month old.

Please, back up your claim.


by upper left on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:39:33 PM EST
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Do you think that Obama's negatives are higher than Hillarys for no reason?

Hoping that the GOP doesn't make mincemeat of him doesn't cut it with me. I can see the ads coming at Obama left and right in the general election. And it'll be all new information that will collapse his campaign unlike anything that they have on Edwards or Clinton that is old stuff.

He's put himself in a position of not even being able to defend himself.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:50:55 PM EST
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I'm talking state by state polls. Polls where he loses PA, FL and OH in the general election.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:53:44 PM EST
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Where are these made up polls with a huge deficit?


by mcdave on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 09:18:57 PM EST
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Look at the Rasmussen pos/neg. for one. Latest Obama 46/positive 50 negative. His positives are even lower than Hillarys. And all that after all the fawning press! Even the press can't seem to help him.


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by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 09:38:32 PM EST
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As much as I support Obama, this thing ain't over by a long shot. I still say its 50/50.

Read Chris Bowers' post today on the delegate counts for a reality check:

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?dia ryId=3106


by animated on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:31:27 PM EST

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I realize that I am overstating my case somewhat, but I am trying to point out that Iowa was in no way a fluke.  The reason Obama was sucsessful in Iowa are national in scale he is going to be sucsessful across the country.  Clinton has been fatally wounded.  Her lack of authenticity has been unmasked.  Her slimey tactics are on full display.


by upper left on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:54:47 PM EST
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Easy now. A lot can and will happen between now and November. I am also pumped but a little advice: don't count you chickens until they hatch.


by aiko on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:34:48 PM EST

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Not counting chickens, just rying to think clearly about the road ahead.  I simply do not see anyone with a substantial chance of stopping him.

My point is to shake people up a little bit and make them realize how close he really is.


by upper left on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:42:00 PM EST
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I beleive that BO will win NH and SC, but I see NV as an opportunity for HRC.  If she can somehow pull this off, she can stop the BO bandwagon.  Harry Reid is in her corner, so anything can happen.

Have the polled SC or NV since the Iowa results?


by CVDem on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:43:44 PM EST

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My point is that Nevadans, and Dems all across the country, are going to have the same response to Obama and Clinton:

He will be percieved as authentic and she will not.  He will be viewed as truestworthy and she will be viewed with suspicion.

He will be viewed as the candidates of change and she will be viewed as a candidate of the past.

My point is that HRC has a structural problem that cannot be easily fixed.


by upper left on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:59:02 PM EST
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stop smoking them pots man (1.50 / 2)

it'll kill your brain cells and mess up your sperm count. Plus you'll get fat.


ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:59:48 PM EST

Re: stop smoking them pots man (none / 0)

Your snark needs work, but not as much as your candidate.

Just because you do not like what I have to say, does not mean that what I have to say is incorrect.


by upper left on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 09:18:58 PM EST
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lol (none / 0)

batshit loony is never correct.


ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:05:19 AM EST
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what a bunch of crap (none / 0)

One state... you are what the MSM wants... sheep


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by kevin22262 on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 09:11:35 PM EST

Re: what a bunch of crap (none / 0)

Nice substantive response.  Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it isn't true.

For months I have been saying tha HRC is a deeply flawed and vulnerable candidate.  I seem to be doing better in analyzing the race than the Edwards and Clinton camps.


by upper left on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 09:17:21 PM EST
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Re: what a bunch of crap (none / 0)

Just because you think it is true does not make it true.

Substance? That is what you want? Hm. I do not hear substance (not that it is not there) from Obama.


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by kevin22262 on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 10:24:14 PM EST
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I would have probably picked Stalingrad as the European turning point, which raises some worthy questions as to just how tough the road ahead is actually going to be.  For Obama there are a series of critical hurdles and he has cleared the first one with room to spare.  It is looking promising and in the din of exploding heads it is hard to get one's bearings but if you ask me now is the time to redouble our efforts and rededicate our energies to achieve the objective you have just declared taken.  Not that I disagree with you, things are going according to plan, but his presidency was always, and remains, a long, long shot.  It's just not as long as it was, Obama made it look too easy in Iowa but he was there for almost a year.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 09:21:54 PM EST

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I am trying to make a point and be a bit provocative.  There are a few cages around here that need to be rattled.  

Most of the snark that passes for analysis around here is completely meaningless. The number of posters on this site who can actually put together a thoughtful post is painfully small.

I am amazed at the number of people who still seam oblivious to HRCs obvious difficulties, and the number of JE supporters who still think he has a viable shot.


by upper left on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 09:29:37 PM EST
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And while they dawdle over broken narratives Obama volunteers in NH, SC, NV, and the Super states are all busily on their appointed rounds.  No-one's saying it ain't perfect so far but as Hillary has aptly demonstrated, pride cometh before the fall.

If you are just stirring up ant's nests, well, have fun.  It was a fun diary to read, no-one would have dared post it in the past which is saying something.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 09:37:33 PM EST
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Agreed.  Let's see what the people of New Hampshire have to say first.  I'm afraid that if Hillary ekes out even a one-vote victory there the media will pop Obama's balloon and declare her "The Comeback Kid"--and I will spend the next 10 months trying to explain to my independent friends, family, and co-workers why her vote for the Iraq War wasn't really a vote for war.

A clear win in NH for Obama, like in Iowa, would be impossible to dismiss however.


by Will Graham on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 09:39:08 PM EST
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Look, Iowa was huge.  And NH will seal the early state deal and just may do the trick.  I just don't want to see us lose our collective sense of the challenges which lay ahead, not least the general election.  The way forward is clear, let us be also.  I notice the media set aside a full news cycle post-Iowa just to give everyone's heads time to respectfully explode, they haven't really caught with where Obama is going yet, not quite yet.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 10:26:20 PM EST
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I understand and agree.

I simply wanted to put the image of Obama as POTUS in the minds of the posters here.  They have gotten so entrenched in their bashing that it hasn't occurred to many that the race could be effectively over in a month.

Obama will surely win NH.  I don't see HRC making a successful stand in Nevada, and I am sure he will win SC.

Florida will be a bit of a conundrum.  On Feb 5, it is hard to see where she can stop him outside of NY, NJ, and Conn.  

I simply think she has a structural problem.  She is a restoration candidate in a change election.  Every time she attacks, she confirms the negative meme about her personality.

It will be interesting.  


by upper left on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 03:26:57 AM EST
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I agree completely, she is doomed, and has been since the words 'change with experience' crossed her lips in September.  Her problem has been structural since the beginning but Obama's campaign illuminated them in stark relief and she sipped from the tainted chalice herself.  As you say, she ran as quasi-incumbent in a 'change' election.  It is an irreversible potion but slow-acting, I'm guessing in the fullness of time it will do it's work most completely.

As for the electoral prospects, a clean sweep of the early-states leaves her almost totally vulnerable.  Interesting indeed.  A day is a long time in politics, eh?


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 05:27:27 AM EST
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It's an election.  That's the point, where do the majority of Democrats get left out?


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 10:27:29 PM EST

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It is interesting that you completely ignored the substance of my post.

I was obviously being a bit provocative, but also trying to make a point about how profound a problem HRC faces.

Regarding the General Election, why are you so utterly dismissive of Obama's chances?

Do you agree or disagree that this is a Dem year?

I have heard you chant "zero chance, zero chance," for months now but I do not think I have ever heard you explain in calm rational terms why you believe this to be true.

So far, the more people get to know Obama, and his ideas, the more they like him.  This certainly suggests that he has lots of room to grow.  Is your position based on experience, race or what?


by upper left on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 03:11:57 AM EST

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You have no substance to ignore.  Obama doesn't have any ideas to like.  This is a campaign about nothing, the perfect campaign for the seinfeld generation.


ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:12:27 AM EST
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You and I have not been able to have anything like a civil conversation.  

Based on some of your comments, I gather that you have a rather large problem with Obama's, um er, ethnicity.  What gives?  Why do you seem to despise Obama?

You have never responded to the substance of the critique of Clinton that I attempted to make in my original post.  I would be curious to hear a substantive response from you.


by upper left on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 03:17:42 AM EST

lets just have IA (none / 0)

decide every four years.


ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:06:51 AM EST

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I agree. In my opinion, she lost this election in October of 2002. After Kerry, nobody wants to have to fight another general election behind a candidate "who was for the war before they were against it." If the war had not turned out to be a disaster based on lies, few of us would know Barack's name right now and she would be skating to her coronation. Classic Greek tragedy: her presidential ambitions were clearly the reason for her vote, yet it was her undoing.

After that, Hillary had one shot: inevitability. Line up the Party establishment behind her and try to scare the opponents away. This would've worked under the old campaign financing paradigm, but Barack matched her in fundraising, mostly by virtue of the Internet. That established his viability, and the rest, as they say, was history.

Let's not be overconfident though. I'm going to canvass and make phone calls every chance I get between now and the February 5 primary in California. I want him to win on February 5 and win big, so that we can get to work preparing to beat the Republican nominee in November.

There are still major hurdles, but I think your fundamental analysis of the dynamics of this race are correct and there's not much Hillary can do about it at this point. She can't stop him without going negative, but by going negative she only reinforces his narrative.


by dmc2 on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:44:24 AM EST


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